LSWR 17 Open First, later Royal Saloon built 1885

LSWR 17 Open First, later Royal Saloon built 1885

LSWR 17 Open First, later Royal Saloon built 1885
LSWR 17 Open First, later Royal Saloon built 1885

 

Present Location Embsay
County Location North Yorkshire
Designed For LSWR
Diagram number 582
Type FO
First Number 17
Later Numbers 4107, 7805
Present Number 17
Current Livery LSWR brown and salmon pink
Gauge 4ft 8 1/2in
Wheel Arrangement Body only
Original Underframe No
Original Bogies/Wheelsets No
Additional Notes Built with Arc roof: rebuilt as Royal Saloon with Clerestory; rebuilt as Picnic Saloon 1913. W 1931, then formed part of a bungalow at Chiltington. Body P 89 by Sail & Steam, Brightlingsea. 04/06: to Embsay - see second additional photo below (courtesy of Ben Williams www.departmentals.com). 10/17: restoration complete - see main and first additional photos. 06/18: restoration featured in the Channel 4 TV Series 'Great Rail Restorations with Peter Snow'. No records of interior, but styled on LNWR Queen Victoria's Saloon (NRM). Mounted on shortened underframe of LNWR 8898 (q.v.)
External Finish Very Good
Internal Finish Very Good
Degree of External Originality Much replaced/reproduced material
Degree of Internal Originality Conversion/rebuild/reproduction
Degree of Underframe/Running Gear Originality Not Applicable
Degree of External Authenticity Very Good
Degree of Internal Authenticity Fair
Degree of Underframe Authenticity Not Applicable
Rarity Unique
Historical Importance Very Important
Storage Secure Building
Operating Yes
Photo Date 19/10/2018
Photo by Paul Abell
At Risk No
Date Record Last Updated 17/12/2021

Paul Abell 19/10/2018: interior view
Paul Abell 19/10/2018: interior view

Ben Williams 01/03/2006: earlier condition
Ben Williams 01/03/2006: earlier condition

Paul Holroyd 24/10/2021: later view
Paul Holroyd 24/10/2021: later view


 

 










 





 

 

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